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    From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 23 13:04:09 2024
    Farnham's Freehold by Robert A. Heinlein

    Can atomic Commiegeddon and the end of the world distract comely young
    Barbara from the allure of irresistibly middle-aged Hugh Farnham's
    interminable lectures? And what of the Race Question?

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/sic-transit-gloria-mundi


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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to Michael F. Stemper on Tue Jul 23 23:04:45 2024
    In article <v7p2g7$1bk11$1@dont-email.me>,
    Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 23/07/2024 08.04, James Nicoll wrote:
    Farnham's Freehold by Robert A. Heinlein

    Can atomic Commiegeddon and the end of the world distract comely young
    Barbara from the allure of irresistibly middle-aged Hugh Farnham's
    interminable lectures? And what of the Race Question?

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/sic-transit-gloria-mundi

    With respect to _Tunnel in the Sky_ (no, I won't use the initialism),
    Rod Walker describes one gal as having Zulu ancestry, and at a
    different point, looking a lot like his sister.

    (This is from memory; I haven't read it since 2006.)

    That could might mean Rod and his sister are black but it might not.

    However, TitS does have interacial marriage out the wazoo, which was
    pretty unusual for a kids book in the 1950s.

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  • From Robert Woodward@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Tue Jul 23 21:54:33 2024
    In article <v7pcud$nve$1@reader1.panix.com>,
    jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:

    In article <v7p2g7$1bk11$1@dont-email.me>,
    Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 23/07/2024 08.04, James Nicoll wrote:
    Farnham's Freehold by Robert A. Heinlein

    Can atomic Commiegeddon and the end of the world distract comely young
    Barbara from the allure of irresistibly middle-aged Hugh Farnham's
    interminable lectures? And what of the Race Question?

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/sic-transit-gloria-mundi

    With respect to _Tunnel in the Sky_ (no, I won't use the initialism),
    Rod Walker describes one gal as having Zulu ancestry, and at a
    different point, looking a lot like his sister.

    (This is from memory; I haven't read it since 2006.)

    That could might mean Rod and his sister are black but it might not.


    Their father was not happy that Rod was friends with that girl (which
    doesn't mean that Rod wasn't black, but I suspect that she was
    significantly darker than Rod).

    However, TitS does have interacial marriage out the wazoo, which was
    pretty unusual for a kids book in the 1950s.

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    Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

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  • From Mike Van Pelt@21:1/5 to lynnmcguire5@gmail.com on Wed Jul 24 06:17:43 2024
    In article <v7ptca$1jcdp$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 7/23/2024 8:04 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    Farnham's Freehold by Robert A. Heinlein

    Can atomic Commiegeddon and the end of the world distract comely young
    Barbara from the allure of irresistibly middle-aged Hugh Farnham's
    interminable lectures? And what of the Race Question?

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/sic-transit-gloria-mundi

    And what of the cannibalism question ?

    It seems clear to me that the cannibalism was included so Heinlein
    could make the statment through Farnham that slavery was a worse
    evil than cannibalism.

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    KE6BVH | Ike on Surfside Beach in Galveston

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to lynnmcguire5@gmail.com on Wed Jul 24 23:26:43 2024
    In article <v7ptca$1jcdp$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 7/23/2024 8:04 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    Farnham's Freehold by Robert A. Heinlein

    Can atomic Commiegeddon and the end of the world distract comely young
    Barbara from the allure of irresistibly middle-aged Hugh Farnham's
    interminable lectures? And what of the Race Question?

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/sic-transit-gloria-mundi

    And what of the cannibalism question ?

    I will have you know that sort of thing does NOT happen in the Royal Navy. --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Thu Jul 25 02:08:40 2024
    In article <v7s2jj$o6g$1@panix2.panix.com>,
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    In article <v7ptca$1jcdp$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 7/23/2024 8:04 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    Farnham's Freehold by Robert A. Heinlein

    Can atomic Commiegeddon and the end of the world distract comely young
    Barbara from the allure of irresistibly middle-aged Hugh Farnham's
    interminable lectures? And what of the Race Question?

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/sic-transit-gloria-mundi

    And what of the cannibalism question ?

    I will have you know that sort of thing does NOT happen in the Royal Navy.


    And when I say "none", I mean there is a certain amount.
    --
    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From WolfFan@21:1/5 to Michael F. Stemper on Sun Aug 4 19:35:15 2024
    On Jul 23, 2024, Michael F. Stemper wrote
    (in article <v7p2g7$1bk11$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 23/07/2024 08.04, James Nicoll wrote:
    Farnham's Freehold by Robert A. Heinlein

    Can atomic Commiegeddon and the end of the world distract comely young Barbara from the allure of irresistibly middle-aged Hugh Farnham's interminable lectures? And what of the Race Question?

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/sic-transit-gloria-mundi

    With respect to _Tunnel in the Sky_ (no, I won't use the initialism),
    Rod Walker describes one gal as having Zulu ancestry, and at a
    different point, looking a lot like his sister.

    (This is from memory; I haven't read it since 2006.)

    Caroline was big, husky, and had a problem with other people’s self-imposed authority. Rod’s sister was big, husky (thick ankles if I’m thinking of
    the correct book) and at least a company-grade sort of officer in the
    military.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to usenet@mikevanpelt.com on Thu Aug 1 12:39:11 2024
    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 06:17:43 -0000 (UTC), Mike Van Pelt <usenet@mikevanpelt.com> wrote:

    Can atomic Commiegeddon and the end of the world distract comely young
    Barbara from the allure of irresistibly middle-aged Hugh Farnham's
    interminable lectures? And what of the Race Question?

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/sic-transit-gloria-mundi

    And what of the cannibalism question ?

    It seems clear to me that the cannibalism was included so Heinlein
    could make the statment through Farnham that slavery was a worse
    evil than cannibalism.

    My first reaction was "WTF?", my second reaction was the same as
    yours.

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Thu Aug 8 17:05:23 2024
    On 7/23/24 20:45, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 7/23/2024 8:04 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    Farnham's Freehold by Robert A. Heinlein

    Can atomic Commiegeddon and the end of the world distract comely young
    Barbara from the allure of irresistibly middle-aged Hugh Farnham's
    interminable lectures? And what of the Race Question?

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/sic-transit-gloria-mundi

    And what of the cannibalism question ?

    Lynn


    If cannabilism for survival is indicated do not eat the
    brains. Stick to muscle meat and alway cook it well done. In
    the long series about the return of magic to the world and
    the death of high tech such as internal compubution engines.
    Insane cannibals are the fate of city populations.
    The Emberverse of S.M. Stirling consoders cannabalism to be
    the ultimate and unforgivable sin.
    Read them all. Would read more if he was so bold as to
    write more about a world with magic.

    bliss

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Thu Aug 8 17:49:08 2024
    On 8/8/24 17:15, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 8/8/2024 7:05 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    On 7/23/24 20:45, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 7/23/2024 8:04 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    Farnham's Freehold by Robert A. Heinlein

    Can atomic Commiegeddon and the end of the world distract comely young >>>> Barbara from the allure of irresistibly middle-aged Hugh Farnham's
    interminable lectures? And what of the Race Question?

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/sic-transit-gloria-mundi

    And what of the cannibalism question ?

    Lynn


         If cannabilism for survival is indicated do not eat the
    brains. Stick to muscle meat and alway cook it well done. In
    the long series about the return of magic to the world and
    the death of high tech such as internal compubution engines.
    Insane cannibals are the fate of city populations.
    The Emberverse of  S.M. Stirling considers cannabalism to be
    the ultimate and unforgivable sin.
         Read them all. Would read more if he was so bold as to
    write more about a world with magic.

         bliss


          Read them all. Would read more if he was so bold as to
    write more about a world with magic.

    Is he S.M. Stirling ?  If so, I have read over 20 of his books.  The Emberverse is the best but it declines rapidly after the first four
    books, Conquistador, Draka books, Island books, etc.

    Lynn
    Indeed as stated in my first paragraph.
    After he brought in the Magical Empress of Japan versus
    the Korean shaman supporting the anti-life forces he must
    have decided the limb he was out on was too weak to support
    further developement
    Any time he wants to do a sequel to Conquistador I await
    with abated breath. Same for Charles Stross contining his
    inter-world saga. The Laundry files were over with the manifestation
    of careless evil savoring brutality taking over the government
    of the UK. They need a magic draining spell to clear that whole
    messy world up.

    bliss

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