• Re: General Semantics

    From Ahasuerus@21:1/5 to Michael F. Stemper on Sun Jul 28 22:05:11 2024
    On 7/28/2024 3:54 PM, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
    I recently re-read van Vogt's _The World of Null-A_, which seems
    to bear the same relationship to General Semantics as does
    _Atlas Shrugged_ to libertarianism.

    Some chapters have a little epigraph, relating a gem of General
    Semantics thought to the coming events. These are attributed,
    variously, to:
      B.R
      A.K.
      C.J.K
      H.W.
      C.M.C.
      E.T.B.
      W.W.L.
      T.H.
      J.W.C.,Jr.
    It seems likely to me that "A.K." is Alfred Korzybski, and that
    "J.W.C.,Jr." is John W. Campbell, Jr. Does anybody have any ideas
    as to who the other folks might be?

    Was the E.T.B. epigraph, by chance, "the map is not the thing mapped"?
    If so, then the initials stood for "Eric Temple Bell". Bell was a
    mathematician who wrote SF as "John Taine" and whom Korzybski
    acknowledged in _Science and Sanity_.

    Other matches mentioned in _Science and Sanity_ are:

    * C. J. K. = Cassius J. Keyser
    * B. R. = Bertrand Russell

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  • From Jay E. Morris@21:1/5 to Michael F. Stemper on Sun Jul 28 21:43:41 2024
    On 7/28/2024 2:54 PM, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
    I recently re-read van Vogt's _The World of Null-A_, which seems
    to bear the same relationship to General Semantics as does
    _Atlas Shrugged_ to libertarianism.

    Some chapters have a little epigraph, relating a gem of General
    Semantics thought to the coming events. These are attributed,
    variously, to:
      B.R
      A.K.
      C.J.K
      H.W.
      C.M.C.
      E.T.B.
      W.W.L.
      T.H.
      J.W.C.,Jr.
    It seems likely to me that "A.K." is Alfred Korzybski, and that
    "J.W.C.,Jr." is John W. Campbell, Jr. Does anybody have any ideas
    as to who the other folks might be?


    Found the following. All errors are mine as it did not copy nice.y.

    ETC: A Review of General Semantics, Vol. 65, No. 3 (July 2008), pp.
    286-288 (3 pages)

    QUOTATIONS FROM THE WORLD OF NULL- A
    Nitram Nosnivel*

    After reading Science and Sanity, A.E. Van Vogt decided to write a work
    of science fiction titled The World of Null- A, which was published in
    book form 1948. The volume has since gone on to become an important part
    of the science fiction literary canon and it has attracted many people
    to general semantics. The following are some quotations that are used at
    the beginning of the book's chapters. (FYI Null- A Continuum by John C.
    Wright, which is a sequel to The World of Null- A, is reviewed in this
    edition of ETC.)

    Common sense, do what it will, cannot avoid being surprised
    occasionally. The object of science is to spare this emotion and create
    mental habits which shall be in such close accord with the habits of the
    world as to secure that nothing shall be unexpected.

    Bertrand Russell

    The gifted... Aristotle... affected perhaps the largest number of people
    ever influenced by a single man. . . .Our tragedies began when the "intensional" biologist Aristotle took the lead over the "extensional" mathematical philosopher Plato and formulated all the primitive identifications, subject-predicativism...into an imposing system, which
    for more than two thousand years we were not allowed to revise under
    penalty of prosecution. . ..Because of this, his name has been used for two-valued doctrines of Aristotelianism, and, conversely, the
    many-valued realities of modern science are given the name
    non-Aristotelianism. ...

    Alfred Korzybskj

    To be is to be related.

    Cassius J. Keyser

    286

    Quotations from The World of Null-A 287

    To be acceptable as scientific knowledge, a truth must be a deduction
    from other truths.

    Nicomachean Ethics, circa 340 B.C.

    The human nervous system is structurally of inconceivable complexity. It
    is estimated that there are in the human brain about twelve thousand
    millions of nerve cells or neurons, and more than half of these are in
    the cerebral cortex. Were we to consider a million cortical nerve cells connected with one another in groups of only two neurons each and
    compute the possible combinations, we would find the number of possible interneuronic connection-patterns to be represented by ten to the power
    of two million, seven hundred, and eighty-three thousand. For
    comparison. . .probably the whole sidereal universe does not contain
    more than ten to the power of sixty-six atoms.

    Alfred Korzybski

    We copy animals in our nervous processes.... In man such nervous
    reactions lead to non-survival, pathological states of infantilism,
    infantile private and public behavior. . ..And the more technically
    developed a nation or race is, the more cruel, ruthless, predatory, and commercialized its systems tend to become... all because we continue to
    think like animals and have not learned how to think consistently
    like human beings.

    Alfred Korzybski

    A famous Victorian-era physicist said, "There's nothing for the next
    generation of physicists to do except measure the next decimal place."
    In the next generation. . . Planck developed the quantum theory that led
    to Bohr's atomic structure work. ... Einstein's mathematics were proven
    out by some extremely delicate decimal-place measuring. . ..Obviously,
    the next question is going to involve the next set of decimal places.
    Gravity is too little understood. So are magnetic field phenomena. . . .
    Sooner or later somebody will slip in another decimal place, and the
    problem will be solved.

    John W. Campbell, Jr.

    Who, then is sane?

    Horace, Satires, circa 25 B.C.

    Nevertheless, the consuming hunger of the uncritical mind for what it
    imagines to be certainty or finality impels it to feast upon shadows.

    Eric Temple Bell

    288 ETC • July 2008

    "What you say a thing is, it is not"...It is much more. It is a compound
    in the largest sense. A chair is not just a chair. It is a structure of inconceivable complexity, chemically, atomically, electronically, etc. Therefore, to think of it simply as a chair is to confine the nervous
    system to what Korzybski calls an identification. It is the totality of
    such identification that create the neurotic, the unsane, and the insane individual.

    Anonymous

    * Nitram Nosnivel is fond of general semantics and word games. He
    particularly enjoys analyzing
    words to see if they make sense spelled backward. He holds a DHP degree
    from UYN and makes his
    home in Wen Kroy, Ytic.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to Michael F. Stemper on Sun Jul 28 21:39:43 2024
    Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
    B.R
    A.K.
    C.J.K
    H.W.
    C.M.C.
    E.T.B.
    W.W.L.
    T.H.
    J.W.C.,Jr.

    It seems likely to me that "A.K." is Alfred Korzybski, and that
    "J.W.C.,Jr." is John W. Campbell, Jr. Does anybody have any ideas
    as to who the other folks might be?

    CJK would be Cyril J. Kornbluth.
    Can't identify any others.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 28 22:04:01 2024
    H.W.
    Harry Warner
    --scott


    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Titus G@21:1/5 to Michael F. Stemper on Thu Aug 1 17:19:41 2024
    On 1/08/24 00:51, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
    On 28/07/2024 21.43, Jay E. Morris wrote:
    On 7/28/2024 2:54 PM, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
    I recently re-read van Vogt's _The World of Null-A_, which seems
    to bear the same relationship to General Semantics as does
    _Atlas Shrugged_ to libertarianism.

    I loved his Isher Weapons Shop novels but didn't really understand
    Null-A the second time I read it. This thread is encouraging me to try
    it again. Is that wise?

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to noone@nowhere.com on Thu Aug 1 05:37:49 2024
    In article <v8f5te$20pa3$3@dont-email.me>, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote: >On 1/08/24 00:51, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
    On 28/07/2024 21.43, Jay E. Morris wrote:
    On 7/28/2024 2:54 PM, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
    I recently re-read van Vogt's _The World of Null-A_, which seems
    to bear the same relationship to General Semantics as does
    _Atlas Shrugged_ to libertarianism.

    I loved his Isher Weapons Shop novels but didn't really understand
    Null-A the second time I read it. This thread is encouraging me to try
    it again. Is that wise?


    I'm not sure if "understanding" a van Vogt book is really the point, but
    be aware there are two versions of TWONA. Damon Knight made his bones critizing VV, and VV did (grudging) revisions in response to that.

    I believe the original text is here in pdf and ebook form:

    http://www.prosperosisle.org/spip.php?article262

    so if you are coming at it again, you might want to try it as originally experienced.
    --
    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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