Lee wrote:

On Fri, Aug 2, 2024 at 7:29 PM Dan Ritter wrote:

I do. If you assign an IP and a DNS name to the IP, all the
network printers I am aware of will work just fine. (They don't
care about the DNS name, either, but it's more convenient if you
don't want to remember the IP.)

Yep, a static IP address is assigned via DHCP and the name exists in
DNS. Now what?

if it's not obvious, I know appx. zip about linux administration, so
hints about what to do after assigning a name and address would be appreciated.

Easiest thing to do: set up CUPSd on one of your machines.

sudo apt install cups


Then read https://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting and use either
the web interface on port 631 or system-config-printer in a GUI
to set up your printer. If it's recent, it can probably use the
ipp driver; if it is middle-aged, it can probably be used via
the port 9100 lp system.

-dsr-

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On 8/2/24 14:18, Darac Marjal wrote:

Back before IANA's recent explosion in TLDs - when all you really had was
.com, .org, .net and a bunch of country-specific TLDs

and .gov and .mil?

- there was a healthy business in alternative DNS roots (altroots).

--
The best answer when anybody asks you
if you're any good with explosives
is to hold up two open hands
and simply say "Ten". -- Anthony DeBoer on ASR

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On 8/3/24 22:58, Lee wrote:

On Sat, Aug 3, 2024 at 2:55 AM Jeffrey Walton wrote:

On Fri, Aug 2, 2024 at 5:13 PM Lee wrote:

On Thu, Aug 1, 2024 at 10:40 PM Jeffrey Walton wrote:

I personally remove mDNS and Bonjour from my machines. mDNS is not the >>>> source of truth on my networks. Rather, DNS is the source of truth in
my networks ...

Do you have any network printers? That work without having mDNS enabled? >>

Yes.

I enable SLP, LPD and IPP only. I use CUPS Postscript drivers. And I
believe I use PCL-5, and not PCL-6.

I disable AirPrint, Bonjour, WS-Discovery, WS-Print, Telnet printing,
TFTP printing and 9100-Printing.

Oh my goodness!! I install Debian and printing Just Works.

I know it's got something to do with mDNS because printing didn't work
for me with mDNS disabled, but... that's a lot of enabling and
disabling that you do. What does all that get you?

More controle over what's going on on the network! ;^)
This allows to have a restrict FW for example.

That is also why UPNP is also disabled on my network.

--
John Doe

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Lee wrote:

uh oh ..
"It would be as well to check whether any functioning print queues
have been automatically installed by cups-browsed prior to a manual
setup. This can be done with
lpstat -a"

$ lpstat -a
Canon_MG3600_series accepting requests since Sat Aug 3 00:00:28 2024 HP_ENVY_5540_series_20A070_ accepting requests since Sat Aug 3 00:00:28 2024

Not terrible. The only conflict with multiple definitions of the
same printer is when multiple people try to use them
simultaneously.

I'd have to go back to an /etc/nsswitch.conf with
hosts: files dns
and then manually configure the print queues. Correct?

Or re-trigger automatic configs, yes.

and use either
the web interface on port 631 or system-config-printer in a GUI
to set up your printer. If it's recent, it can probably use the
ipp driver; if it is middle-aged, it can probably be used via
the port 9100 lp system.

Thanks for the info. I'm not sure that manual configuration is all
that much better than the automatic stuff tho.. it seems like if
someone can get on my network and respond to mDNS queries I've got
worse problems than them impersonating a printer.

Let's say that the problems start with impersonating a printer
and get more severe from there.

Am I missing something or does manually configuring printer queues
just remove my print queue dependency on avahi / mDNS?
I can see not wanting mDNS in a work environment, but at home?? I
don't see how it improves my security all that much.

It does not particularly affect security in this scenario, no.

I was offering answers to your questions rather than polict
recommendations.


-dsr-

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On Fri 02 Aug 2024 at 19:29:14 (-0400), Dan Ritter wrote:

Lee wrote:

On Thu, Aug 1, 2024 at 10:40 PM Jeffrey Walton wrote:

I personally remove mDNS and Bonjour from my machines. mDNS is not the source of truth on my networks. Rather, DNS is the source of truth in
my networks ...

Do you have any network printers? That work without having mDNS enabled?

I do. If you assign an IP and a DNS name to the IP, all the
network printers I am aware of will work just fine. (They don't
care about the DNS name, either, but it's more convenient if you
don't want to remember the IP.)

So when I set up my Brother laser printer, I followed the wiki at
https://wiki.debian.org/CUPSDriverlessPrinting#Creating_a_Driverless_Print_Queue_with_lpadmin_.28Short_Version.29
using the cups-filters PPD generator option (for reasons I do not
remember). The device has the name ipp://Brother…._ipp._tcp.local/
so I expect I'm using mDNS to print to it.

The printer has an IP name and address (in /etc/hosts) that I use
solely with ping. (A pingall function tells me which devices are
turned on, and need switching off before a thundestorm strikes.)
lpinfo also sees an lpd: ?device with what looks like a serial
number (but isn't AFAICT).

Which wiki method would I use to set up this printer through its
IP address rather than a .local address? There's a lot of material
in the Debian Printing wiki pages; so much of it is aimed at buster
and legacy printers that finding particular methods can be difficult.

I have a second, older printer whose printing engine is dead. (I use
it only as a scanner.) The driverless command also gives this printer
a .local device name (both ipp: and dnssd:), but I also see a socket://192.168.1.11:9100 address that I understand is deprecated.
However, this is the only IP address given by lpinfo -v. In fact,
it's about the only IP address I've found in the CUPS configuration
files. I don't see 192.168.1.12 (the Brother's) anywhere.

Cheers,
David.

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On Thu, Aug 01, 2024 at 14:30:05 +0000, fxkl47BF@protonmail.com wrote:

my nsswitch.conf is "hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns"
i don't remenber changing it in the past few decades
i recently had a situation that made me question the ordering
my dns server is my primary router
should dns be first

It would be *extremely* unusual to want to consult DNS before /etc/hosts.
I recommend leaving files first unless you have a *really* good reason
to switch them.

I have no comment on mdns4_minimal because I don't really know what that
is.

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my nsswitch.conf is "hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns"
i don't remenber changing it in the past few decades
i recently had a situation that made me question the ordering
my dns server is my primary router
should dns be first

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On Thu 01 Aug 2024 at 10:32:27 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Thu, Aug 01, 2024 at 14:30:05 +0000, fxkl47BF@protonmail.com wrote:

my nsswitch.conf is "hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns"
i don't remenber changing it in the past few decades
i recently had a situation that made me question the ordering
my dns server is my primary router
should dns be first

It would be *extremely* unusual to want to consult DNS before /etc/hosts.
I recommend leaving files first unless you have a *really* good reason
to switch them.

I have no comment on mdns4_minimal because I don't really know what that
is.

AIUI mdns4_minimal is for devices that configure themselves using
multicast DNS on .local. If you put dns first, then the names of any
.local devices will be leaked out of your LAN and on to the Internet's
DNS servers. [NOTFOUND=return] is what prevent that happening IF you
leave the order alone. (BTW don't use .local for your LAN domain name.)

Cheers,
David.

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On Thu, 1 Aug 2024, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Thu, Aug 01, 2024 at 14:30:05 +0000, fxkl47BF@protonmail.com wrote:

my nsswitch.conf is "hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns"
i don't remenber changing it in the past few decades
i recently had a situation that made me question the ordering
my dns server is my primary router
should dns be first

It would be *extremely* unusual to want to consult DNS before /etc/hosts.
I recommend leaving files first unless you have a *really* good reason
to switch them.

I have no comment on mdns4_minimal because I don't really know what that
is.

i have mysql on host1
i created a user for mysql so i could have access from 192.168.1.%
that works fine
on host2 i use "mysql -u user1 -p --host=host1" and it works
if on host1 i use "mysql -u user1 -p --host=host1" it fails
ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'user1'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
in /etc/hosts i have "127.0.1.1 host1.my-network host1"
if i comment this line out, accessing mysql from host1 works

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On Thu, Aug 01, 2024 at 14:47:49 +0000, fxkl47BF@protonmail.com wrote:

i have mysql on host1
i created a user for mysql so i could have access from 192.168.1.%
that works fine
on host2 i use "mysql -u user1 -p --host=host1" and it works
if on host1 i use "mysql -u user1 -p --host=host1" it fails
ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'user1'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
in /etc/hosts i have "127.0.1.1 host1.my-network host1"
if i comment this line out, accessing mysql from host1 works

Take one more step back:

Do you have a local area network, with two or more hosts on it, and does
each of those hosts have an assigned IP address?

I.e. is host1 *always* 192.168.1.5?

If that's the case, then the correct fix is to change the 127.0.1.1 line, replacing 127.0.1.1 with the assigned IP address (192.168.1.5 or whatever
it is).

The 127.0.1.1 is a fallback for systems where the IP address isn't fixed.
It guarantees that your system will be able to look up its own hostname
and get *some* kind of working IP address. But if you have a fixed IP
address, you should use that instead.

If your hosts are getting their IP addresses by DHCP, and you'd like them
to get the same address every time so that you *can* make this change to
your /etc/hosts files, then you'll want to tell your DHCP server to assign
a fixed IP address to each MAC address.

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Hi,

Glad we could get to the Y of this X/Y problem relatively quickly!

On Thu, Aug 01, 2024 at 02:47:49PM +0000, fxkl47BF@protonmail.com wrote:

i created a user for mysql so i could have access from 192.168.1.%
that works fine

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'user1'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

"localhost" != 192.168.1.%. You need to add a mysql auth for
localhost as well.

in /etc/hosts i have "127.0.1.1 host1.my-network host1"
if i comment this line out, accessing mysql from host1 works

Your issue is that you are connecting from host1 to a thing called
host1, which is being looked up in /etc/hosts and matching the first
line there for 127.0.1.1 so it's going to the localhost interface,
which MySQL sees as "localhost", not something in 192.168.1.0/24.

You could add access for the user@localhost. Personally I also
disable host lookups in MySQL and do all access control by IP
addresses, but that won't help you here as it will still say
localhost as this isn't a DNS thing.

If host1 has a static IP address in the 192.168.1.0/24 range then it
is not necessary for that line in /etc/hosts to have "host1" on it;
you could remove "host1" from that line and add an extra line with
its real IP, like

127.0.1.1 localhost
192.168.1.x host1.my-network host1

The reason why your /etc/hosts is like this is so that your system
can resolve its own name even when it has no other IP address. If it
does have a static IP then it is safe to put that in there.

Bypassing /etc/hosts entirely would not be recommended.

Thanks,
Andy

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On Thu, 1 Aug 2024, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Thu, Aug 01, 2024 at 14:47:49 +0000, fxkl47BF@protonmail.com wrote:

i have mysql on host1
i created a user for mysql so i could have access from 192.168.1.%
that works fine
on host2 i use "mysql -u user1 -p --host=host1" and it works
if on host1 i use "mysql -u user1 -p --host=host1" it fails
ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'user1'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
in /etc/hosts i have "127.0.1.1 host1.my-network host1"
if i comment this line out, accessing mysql from host1 works

Take one more step back:

Do you have a local area network, with two or more hosts on it, and does
each of those hosts have an assigned IP address?

I.e. is host1 *always* 192.168.1.5?

If that's the case, then the correct fix is to change the 127.0.1.1 line, replacing 127.0.1.1 with the assigned IP address (192.168.1.5 or whatever
it is).

all of my devices are served by dhcp but have a static address
changing 127.0.1.1 to 192.168.1.5 works for me

The 127.0.1.1 is a fallback for systems where the IP address isn't fixed.
It guarantees that your system will be able to look up its own hostname
and get *some* kind of working IP address. But if you have a fixed IP address, you should use that instead.

If your hosts are getting their IP addresses by DHCP, and you'd like them
to get the same address every time so that you *can* make this change to
your /etc/hosts files, then you'll want to tell your DHCP server to assign
a fixed IP address to each MAC address.

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On Friday, 02-08-2024 at 00:48 David Wright wrote:

On Thu 01 Aug 2024 at 10:32:27 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Thu, Aug 01, 2024 at 14:30:05 +0000, fxkl47BF@protonmail.com wrote:

my nsswitch.conf is "hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns"
i don't remenber changing it in the past few decades
i recently had a situation that made me question the ordering
my dns server is my primary router
should dns be first

It would be *extremely* unusual to want to consult DNS before /etc/hosts.
I recommend leaving files first unless you have a *really* good reason
to switch them.

I have no comment on mdns4_minimal because I don't really know what that is.

AIUI mdns4_minimal is for devices that configure themselves using
multicast DNS on .local. If you put dns first, then the names of any
.local devices will be leaked out of your LAN and on to the Internet's
DNS servers. [NOTFOUND=return] is what prevent that happening IF you
leave the order alone.

(BTW don't use .local for your LAN domain name.)

Why is that? (recently I was starting to believe I should stop using the domain names I had chosen, and start using (what I thought was) the standard of .local)

Is it your personal preference, or a technical necessity?

What is best practice for a local LAN prefix? (I have never found conclusive instruction).

It is my belief that .local is a MS idea originating from the configuration of their servers. Is this correct?

George.

Cheers,
David.

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Lee, Jeffrey, David,

Thank you for your replies.

Their is much about DNS and networking that I have yet to learn. My knowledge is usually enough to set up working systems that [hopefully] do not collide with other systems, but not enough to understand further details or to full understand if what I do
is correct as in industry standard, or how to do it better. Your responses has given me more details to study.

Do you know if there is a good place to post Bind9 DNS server configuration questions to?

I desire to set up an isolated-from-the-Internet environment to test DMARC and DNSSEC protected email systems, hence I want to replicate the Internet's DNS system, or to put it, configure a TLD nameservers for Chain of Trust in my Isolated network that
is not able to reach the ICANN's real TLD nameservers.

https://www.neatcode.org/dns/
Chain of Trust: DNSSEC establishes a chain of trust from the root zone (represented by the “.” at the top of the DNS hierarchy) down to the individual domain.

I guess the correct thing would be to purchase a domain name just for testing, and then I could test as I wanted, but then I would need hosting of the domain name that also supports DNSSEC (more expense). Though this also takes away some of the
configuration from me, and hence a reduction in understanding of how it works.

https://www.cloudflare.com/en-au/learning/dns/dns-records/dns-dmarc-record/ Domain-based Message Authentication Reporting and Conformance (DMARC) is a method of authenticating email messages. A DMARC policy tells a receiving email server what to do after checking a domain's Sender Policy Framework (SPF) and DomainKeys Identified
Mail (DKIM) records, which are additional email authentication methods.


On Friday, 02-08-2024 at 11:15 Lee wrote:

On Thu, Aug 1, 2024 at 7:41 PM George at Clug wrote:

On Friday, 02-08-2024 at 00:48 David Wright wrote:

On Thu 01 Aug 2024 at 10:32:27 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Thu, Aug 01, 2024 at 14:30:05 +0000, fxkl47BF@protonmail.com wrote:

my nsswitch.conf is "hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns"
i don't remenber changing it in the past few decades
i recently had a situation that made me question the ordering
my dns server is my primary router
should dns be first

It would be *extremely* unusual to want to consult DNS before /etc/hosts.
I recommend leaving files first unless you have a *really* good reason to switch them.

I have no comment on mdns4_minimal because I don't really know what that
is.

AIUI mdns4_minimal is for devices that configure themselves using multicast DNS on .local. If you put dns first, then the names of any .local devices will be leaked out of your LAN and on to the Internet's DNS servers. [NOTFOUND=return] is what prevent that happening IF you leave the order alone.

(BTW don't use .local for your LAN domain name.)

Why is that? (recently I was starting to believe I should stop using the domain names I had chosen, and start using (what I thought was) the standard of .local)

Because .local is used for names that can be resolved by multicast
DNS. See the wikipedia article
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.local

Is it your personal preference, or a technical necessity?

to quote from wikipedia

Yes, due to past work experience, this was my understanding...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.local
Microsoft TechNet article 708159[7] suggested .local for the exact opposite reason:
Using the .local label for the full DNS name for the internal domain is a more secure configuration because the .local label is not registered for use on the Internet. This separates your internal domain from your public Internet domain name.

By default, a freshly installed Windows Server 2016 Essentials also adds .local as the default dns-prefix when a user doesn't select the advanced option, resulting in a domain with .local extension.

https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc6762.txt
This document specifies that the DNS top-level domain ".local." is a
special domain with special semantics, namely that any fully
qualified name ending in ".local." is link-local, and names within
this domain are meaningful only on the link where they originate.

https://www.icann.org/en/board-activities-and-meetings/materials/approved-board-resolutions-regular-meeting-of-the-icann-board-04-02-2018-en#2.c
However, the New gTLD Program has brought renewed attention to this issue of queries for undelegated TLDs at the root level of the DNS because certain applied-for new TLD strings could be identical to name labels used in private networks (i.e., .HOME, .
CORP, and .MAIL).

Linux distributions use the Name Service Switch configuration file /etc/nsswitch.conf[9] in which mDNS name resolution was
added via the mdns4_minimal plugin to nsswitch. In this
configuration, where mdns4_minimal precedes the standard dns option,
which uses /etc/resolv.conf, the mDNS resolution will block
subsequent DNS resolution on the local network.

What is best practice for a local LAN prefix? (I have never found conclusive instruction).

home.arpa
see https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8375.html

A fairly straight forward statement in this RFC, just not sure if I could get used to using .arpa as a suffix. But seems like a great choice?

It is my belief that .local is a MS idea originating from the configuration of their servers. Is this correct?

again, quoting from the .local wikipedia article
Microsoft TechNet article 708159[7] suggested .local ...
but later recommended against it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.local
If you have *Macintosh client computers* that are running the Macintosh OS X version 10.3 operating system or later, ... it is recommended that you do not use the .local label for the full DNS name of your internal domain.

Regards,
Lee

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On Fri 02 Aug 2024 at 09:40:44 (+1000), George at Clug wrote:

On Friday, 02-08-2024 at 00:48 David Wright wrote:

On Thu 01 Aug 2024 at 10:32:27 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Thu, Aug 01, 2024 at 14:30:05 +0000, fxkl47BF@protonmail.com wrote:

my nsswitch.conf is "hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns" i don't remenber changing it in the past few decades
i recently had a situation that made me question the ordering
my dns server is my primary router
should dns be first

It would be *extremely* unusual to want to consult DNS before /etc/hosts. I recommend leaving files first unless you have a *really* good reason
to switch them.

I have no comment on mdns4_minimal because I don't really know what that is.

AIUI mdns4_minimal is for devices that configure themselves using
multicast DNS on .local. If you put dns first, then the names of any
.local devices will be leaked out of your LAN and on to the Internet's
DNS servers. [NOTFOUND=return] is what prevent that happening IF you
leave the order alone.

Can I tighten that up: names that resolve shouldn't leak; it's names
that don't resolve, which would be passed onwards for DNS to resolve,
that would leak.

(BTW don't use .local for your LAN domain name.)

Why is that? (recently I was starting to believe I should stop using the domain names I had chosen, and start using (what I thought was) the standard of .local)

https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc6762.txt

explains what .local is for.

Is it your personal preference, or a technical necessity?

What is best practice for a local LAN prefix? (I have never found conclusive instruction).

I've been in the habit of using .corp after reading:

https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2018-02-04-en#2.c

but I don't think that decision is set in stone, and certainly
RFC 8375 now recommends .home.arpa for residences, so that's
a better bet.

It is my belief that .local is a MS idea originating from the configuration of their servers. Is this correct?

Most of what I've read has credited Apple with this, not Microsoft.

Cheers,
David.

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George at Clug wrote:

Do you know if there is a good place to post Bind9 DNS server configuration questions to?

There's a bind-users list: https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users

Do search the archive before posting questions; there's a high
likelihood that the answer is already there.

I desire to set up an isolated-from-the-Internet environment to test DMARC and DNSSEC protected email systems, hence I want to replicate the Internet's DNS system, or to put it, configure a TLD nameservers for Chain of Trust in my Isolated network that

is not able to reach the ICANN's real TLD nameservers.

The big thing there is that you will need to set up a local
certificate authority to manufacture your test certificates.
Generating the certs is not difficult, but keeping track of
everything is very complex.

https://www.cloudflare.com/en-au/learning/dns/dns-records/dns-dmarc-record/ Domain-based Message Authentication Reporting and Conformance (DMARC) is a method of authenticating email messages. A DMARC policy tells a receiving email server what to do after checking a domain's Sender Policy Framework (SPF) and DomainKeys

Identified Mail (DKIM) records, which are additional email authentication methods.

DMARC is a policy statement about how receivers should treat
SPF and DKIM failures. It's a reasonably simple syntax that goes
in your DNS, and does not require DNSSEC.

SPF is a policy statement about what mail servers you think
should be sending email from your domain; it is also a
reasonably simple syntax that goes in your DNS and does not
require DNSSEC.

DKIM is a complex system of cryptographically signing certain
headers in email that passes through your mail system and also
publishing keys in DNS. It does not require DNSSEC.

If you're not opposed to spending a little money, Michael Lucas
just wrote Run Your Own Mail Server, which is a serious guide to
both practice and theory. https://www.tiltedwindmillpress.com/product/ryoms-preorder/

I understand that it is now in final proofs before delivery to
purchasers. I bought in early and have a pre-production sample;
this is a really good book.


-dsr-

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On 8/1/24 22:07, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

On Thu, Aug 1, 2024 at 9:45 PM George at Clug <Clug@goproject.info> wrote:

On Friday, 02-08-2024 at 00:48 David Wright wrote:

On Thu 01 Aug 2024 at 10:32:27 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote:

[...]
I have no comment on mdns4_minimal because I don't really know what that >>>> is.

AIUI mdns4_minimal is for devices that configure themselves using
multicast DNS on .local. If you put dns first, then the names of any
.local devices will be leaked out of your LAN and on to the Internet's
DNS servers. [NOTFOUND=return] is what prevent that happening IF you
leave the order alone.

(BTW don't use .local for your LAN domain name.)

Why is that? (recently I was starting to believe I should stop using the domain names I had chosen, and start using (what I thought was) the standard of .local)

Is it your personal preference, or a technical necessity?

What is best practice for a local LAN prefix? (I have never found conclusive instruction).

Frankly, neither have T that actually makes sense. Particularly as
future proof. The smartest dog I ever met was not a dog, but a tamed
coyote. This was in the '70's of the last century. So when I setup my
home network and built my first linux box in 1998, this machine became coyote.den as the domainename. Its arbitrary and has not yet clashed
with anything the powers that be have defined. My network lookups are to
look first at /etc//hosts, and failing to find it, my ISP's dns. I
suppose eventually they'll issue .den and I be forced to pick some other
3 letter name for my local domain. Until then, I am as that now very old
saying goes, FAT, DUMB and HAPPY... And my machines, all of them, can
tour this planet transparently.

It is my belief that .local is a MS idea originating from the configuration of their servers. Is this correct?

.local is a multicast DNS (mDNS) thing. See <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6762.html> and <https://www.iana.org/assignments/special-use-domain-names/special-use-domain-names.xhtml>.

Neither of these 2 documents appear to infringe on what I am doing at
this time. OTOH, I am not famous for thinking inside the box. This
advise, if followed and something gets broken, you get to keep all the
pieces. It has worked for me for 26 years.

I personally remove mDNS and Bonjour from my machines. mDNS is not the
source of truth on my networks. Rather, DNS is the source of truth in
my networks, ao I use home.arpa from RFC 8375, <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8375.html>.

Jeff

.

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis

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On Fri, Aug 02, 2024 at 10:29:40 -0400, gene heskett wrote:

ISP's dns. I suppose eventually they'll issue
.den and I be forced to pick some other 3 letter name for my local domain.

https://www.hostzealot.com/domains/den

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On 8/2/24 10:40, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Fri, Aug 02, 2024 at 10:29:40 -0400, gene heskett wrote:

ISP's dns. I suppose eventually they'll issue
.den and I be forced to pick some other 3 letter name for my local domain.

https://www.hostzealot.com/domains/den

.

I already have a paid for, legally registered domainname, Greg. Not
currently enabled because the last time it was, it took 150 lines of
Iptables updated almost daily to keep mj12's & bing's godamned bots from
using 200+ gigs a month spidering my site. Using ALL my limited ADSL
upload bandwidth. Screw em and the camel that rode it on them.

The above link is some dips--- MBA trying to make a buck using the if I
don't get caught its legal mentality. You can do this without enriching
these jerks. mj12's bots don't pay any attention to the bot denier
response but tracking bing is easier since they only move to a different address block to get around iptables lockouts about monthly, mj12
sometimes moves stuff daily. Most of the other bots look at the rules
and follow them.

Take care & stay well Greg.

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis

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Hi,

On Fri, Aug 02, 2024 at 10:39:46AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Fri, Aug 02, 2024 at 10:29:40 -0400, gene heskett wrote:

ISP's dns. I suppose eventually they'll issue
.den and I be forced to pick some other 3 letter name for my local domain.

https://www.hostzealot.com/domains/den

Weird - that TLD has not yet been delegated by IANA so I don't get
how they are selling it. Perhaps I have missed something.

https://www.iana.org/domains/root/db

Still, your point does remain that it could be delegated at some
point. There is a new set of proposals being entertained right now
for new TLDs so there will be some pointless new ones soon.

Gene';s reply to you misses your point so if/when it does happen
that .den is delegated I'm sure he will miss the point again anyway.

Thanks,
Andy

--
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On 8/2/24 12:09, Andy Smith wrote:

Hi,

On Fri, Aug 02, 2024 at 10:39:46AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Fri, Aug 02, 2024 at 10:29:40 -0400, gene heskett wrote:

ISP's dns. I suppose eventually they'll issue
.den and I be forced to pick some other 3 letter name for my local domain. >>

https://www.hostzealot.com/domains/den

Weird - that TLD has not yet been delegated by IANA so I don't get
how they are selling it. Perhaps I have missed something.

https://www.iana.org/domains/root/db

Still, your point does remain that it could be delegated at some
point. There is a new set of proposals being entertained right now
for new TLDs so there will be some pointless new ones soon.

Gene';s reply to you misses your point so if/when it does happen
that .den is delegated I'm sure he will miss the point again anyway.

Thanks,
Andy

Thanks for the no-confidence vote Andy. I have been entertaining what I
do next if that does happen. I'm pleasantly surprised it hasn't happened already in 26 years. Its a bit like sesame st. on PBS, with Bert and
Earnie waiting for the other shoe to drop. ;o)>

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis

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On Fri 02 Aug 2024 at 14:37:08 (+1000), George at Clug wrote:

What is best practice for a local LAN prefix? (I have never found conclusive instruction).

home.arpa
see https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8375.html

A fairly straight forward statement in this RFC, just not sure if I could get used to using .arpa as a suffix. But seems like a great choice?

If you're heavily into DNS, then you've probably used the .arpa TLD
already, as in ….in-addr.arpa, which maps IPv4 addresses to domain
names, and ….ip6.arpa for IPv6. It's now a backronym standing for
Address and Routing Parameter Area, to decouple it from its original
coining.

It is my belief that .local is a MS idea originating from the configuration of their servers. Is this correct?

again, quoting from the .local wikipedia article
Microsoft TechNet article 708159[7] suggested .local ...
but later recommended against it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.local
If you have *Macintosh client computers* that are running the Macintosh OS X version 10.3 operating system or later, ... it is recommended that you do not use the .local label for the full DNS name of your internal domain.

That TechNet article was written in 2008. I think .local was being
used by Apple in the previous decade (see RFC).

The cynic in me wonders whether this article is an attempt to lock in
MS customers. Look at the paragraph after the one you quoted:

"• After you install Windows Small Business Server 2003, you cannot
change the settings specified in Full DNS name for internal domain
or NetBIOS domain name. These settings are used to configure
server applications during Setup. If you want to change these
names, you must reinstall Windows Small Business Server 2003."

Either they're trying to make things difficult should you go out and
buy any Apple kit, or they're relying on people not to read any of
the warnings, and go with their default.

Cheers,
David.

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Hi,

On Fri, Aug 02, 2024 at 02:37:08PM +1000, George at Clug wrote:

On Thu, Aug 1, 2024 at 7:41 PM George at Clug wrote:
home.arpa
see https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8375.html

A fairly straight forward statement in this RFC, just not sure if
I could get used to using .arpa as a suffix. But seems like a
great choice?

A popular alternative is just buying a domain name and using a
subdomain of it for whatever location(s) you are doing the naming
for.

We have these sprawling threads about choosing local domain names
from time to time and it always seems odd to me that people with
lots of interest in DNS, self-hosting, etc are somehow not willing
to just register a domain or don't have at least one domain already.

Maybe it is my privilege talking to wonder about sums of $5 to $10
US per year.

Thanks,
Andy

--
https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting

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Hi,

On Fri, Aug 02, 2024 at 01:06:38PM -0400, gene heskett wrote:

On 8/2/24 12:09, Andy Smith wrote:

Gene';s reply to you misses your point so if/when it does happen
that .den is delegated I'm sure he will miss the point again anyway.

Thanks for the no-confidence vote Andy.

You did miss Greg's point, or pretended to, so this was just
factual.

If and when .den gets delegated there won't be any real issues for
you other than that you won't be able to get to whatever coyote.den
is for everyone else. You probably won't care about that. The other
thing is that some of your DNS queries for things on your domain
that don't exist may end up being leaked to whoever operates the
real coyote.den but again, you probably wouldn't care.

This topic (correct domain to use for local networks) has been
hashed out several times on this list before in just the last few
years. Searching the archive for "home.arpa" will likely bring them
up.

Thanks,
Andy

--
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/08/2024 17:09, Andy Smith wrote:<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Hi,

On Fri, Aug 02, 2024 at 10:39:46AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">On Fri, Aug 02, 2024 at 10:29:40 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">ISP's dns. I suppose eventually they'll issue
.den and I be forced to pick some other 3 letter name for my local domain. </pre>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.hostzealot.com/domains/den">https://www.hostzealot.com/domains/den</a>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">
Weird - that TLD has not yet been delegated by IANA so I don't get
how they are selling it. Perhaps I have missed something.

<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.iana.org/domains/root/db">https://www.iana.org/domains/root/db</a>

Still, your point does remain that it could be delegated at some
point. There is a new set of proposals being entertained right now
for new TLDs so there will be some pointless new ones soon.

Gene';s reply to you misses your point so if/when it does happen
that .den is delegated I'm sure he will miss the point again anyway.</pre>
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<br>
<p>Back before IANA's recent explosion in TLDs - when all you really
had was .com, .org, .net and a bunch of country-specific TLDs -
there was a healthy business in alternative DNS roots (altroots).
Companies such as AlterNIC and OpenNIC<span
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The point is that these TLDs were "opt-in". They weren't under the control of IANA but IANA were supposedly aware of them. There was a certain amount of controversy when IANA created .biz because that, uniquely, masked a TLD already in use. This lead to
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Lee wrote:

On Thu, Aug 1, 2024 at 10:40 PM Jeffrey Walton wrote:

I personally remove mDNS and Bonjour from my machines. mDNS is not the source of truth on my networks. Rather, DNS is the source of truth in
my networks ...

Do you have any network printers? That work without having mDNS enabled?

I do. If you assign an IP and a DNS name to the IP, all the
network printers I am aware of will work just fine. (They don't
care about the DNS name, either, but it's more convenient if you
don't want to remember the IP.)

-dsr-

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On Saturday, 03-08-2024 at 15:40 Jeffrey Walton wrote:

On Fri, Aug 2, 2024 at 10:35 PM Lee <ler762@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Aug 2, 2024 at 7:29 PM Dan Ritter wrote:

Lee wrote:

On Thu, Aug 1, 2024 at 10:40 PM Jeffrey Walton wrote:

I personally remove mDNS and Bonjour from my machines. mDNS is not the
source of truth on my networks. Rather, DNS is the source of truth in my networks ...

Do you have any network printers? That work without having mDNS enabled?

I do. If you assign an IP and a DNS name to the IP, all the
network printers I am aware of will work just fine. (They don't
care about the DNS name, either, but it's more convenient if you
don't want to remember the IP.)

Yep, a static IP address is assigned via DHCP and the name exists in
DNS. Now what?

if it's not obvious, I know appx. zip about linux administration, so
hints about what to do after assigning a name and address would be appreciated.

As far as DNS goes, the only hosts that require a static IP address
are your DNS servers. Just about everything else can get an address
from DHCP, including file servers, mail servers and print servers.

When I was an admin at the Social Security Administration, the SSA ran
in that configuration. SSA had about 120,000 hosts on the network at
the time, and the agency had no problems in the configuration. They
used a private Class A network with 10.*.*.* addresses. I think SSA
also used static IP addresses for gateways, but I can't recall for
certain. And gateways were always .1 or .2 by convention on the
network segment.

At the time, I _think_ SSA had the second-largest network in the world
- only IBM was larger. SSA also used a token ring network up until
about 2001 or 2002. The agency did not cutover to ethernet until about
2002 or 2003.

If you are interested in some good reading on Unix & Linux networking,
then pick up a copy of W. Richard Stevens' TCP/IP Illustrated, Volume
I: The Protocols (<https://www.amazon.com/dp/0201633469>). It is a
great book to learn from. Stevens gives you plenty of command line
examples to demonstrate concepts.

Thanks for another interesting book.

Jeff

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